Mary, Queen of Heaven, Mother of God?

January 30, 2010 at 7:34 pm 9 comments

It is a sad truth that false doctrines have turned a faithful and loving mother into a symbol of praise and veneration.  Mary, Yeshua’s mother is now placed on the same level as her son by certain denominations of Christians; this is blasphemy and false worship and is seen as a grave sin in the eyes of God and His son, Jesus the Christ:

14 Blessed are those who do His commandments,[g] that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city. 15 But[h] outside are dogs and sorcerers and sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and whoever loves and practices a lie. (Revelation 22: 14-15)

In 1954 Pope Pius XII determined that Mary was the Queen of Heaven and the Mother of God“Encyclical Ad Caeli Reginam. Vatican.  First image depicts the coronation of Mary.

The Pagan “mother god” as queen of heaven.

The term Queen of Heaven was used in ancient times by Pagan worshippers; many of their goddesses were entitled “Queen of Heaven”.  Jeremiah the prophet criticises the worship of Ashtoreth the Queen of Heaven.  For example, in Jeremiah 7:18 it reads:

“The children gather wood, the fathers light the fire, and the women knead the dough and make cakes of bread for the Queen of Heaven. They pour out drink offerings to other gods to provoke me to anger.”

Also in Jeremiah 44:15-18 it says:

“Then all the men who knew that their wives were burning incense to other gods, along with all the women who were present—a large assembly—and all the people living in Lower and Upper Egypt, said to Jeremiah, “We will not listen to the message you have spoken to us in the name of the LORD! We will certainly do everything we said we would: We will burn incense to the Queen of Heaven and will pour out drink offerings to her just as we and our fathers, our kings and our officials did in the towns of Judah and in the streets of Jerusalem. At that time we had plenty of food and were well off and suffered no harm. But ever since we stopped burning incense to the Queen of Heaven and pouring out drink offerings to her, we have had nothing and have been perishing by sword and famine.” “

There is no place in the scriptures that tells us Mary is Queen of Heaven, this is an example of man-made dogma.  The Roman Catholic Church also sees Mary crowned as queen in heaven in the Book of Revelation 12, verses 1-5:

“1 A great and wondrous sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head. 2 She was pregnant and cried out in pain as she was about to give birth. 3 Then another sign appeared in heaven: an enormous red dragon with seven heads and ten horns and seven crowns on his heads.”

This is an example of trying to fit false teachings into the scriptures.  This quote actually refers to Israel and not Mary.

Idol worship

It is now a Catholic rite to crown and even dress statues of Mary, the origin of this can be found in Babylonian god worship:

Baruch 6:9 “Their gods have golden crowns upon their heads; whereof the priests secretly convey away from them gold, and silver, and bestow it on themselves”.  (This can be found in the Roman Catholic Bible)

Statues and images are forms of idol worship:

Exodus 20:4 -5  “Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God,…”

The Pope bows down in front of a crowned statue of Mary!

The following is commentary from a P{aganistic website on the Virgin Mary in Catholic worship.

As we explain in detail in our main page on the Blessed Virgin Mary, the Image of Mary is iconographically a depiction of Our Mother God. In the early days of Christianity, many statues of the Magna Mater (Great Mother) were simply rededicated as Mary statues. We are simply reclaiming our own.

And the Name Mary-Ma-Mari is a universal name of Dea. The Collyridians, who worship Mary as Supreme Deity, write:

When we adore and devote ourselves to Mary, we are not merely speaking of a certain Jewish woman who lived at the turn of the first century, but of the Lady of All Things that is revealed through the icons and mythos of the Virgin Mary.

Below is a hymn to the “Lady of Guadalupe” or the Virgin Mary which outlines her origin, look at the number of idolatarous and blasphemous references.  (Taken from

Kontakion 1
To Thee, our great and constant Intercessor before the Throne of Almighty God, do we,
Thy children, offer this hymn of praise, glorifying Thy wondrous Image revealed to Thy
humble servant, Juan Diego on the hill of Tepeyac, as we sing of Thy enduring heavenly
Protection of all who keep festival, joyfully exclaiming with arms uplifted: Rejoice, O
Lady from Heaven, Virgin-Mother clothed with the Sun!

Ikos 1
The peoples of Mesoamerica saw a most Divine Light when they gazed upon Thy sacred
and miraculous image
inscribed by the Finger of God upon the tilma of Juan Diego.
They recognized in it their salvation at last and liberation from the darkness of
enslavement to the cunning Serpent of old and they cried with grateful love amidst tears:

Rejoice, Most Immaculate Messenger from on High!
Rejoice, Great Sign that appeared in Heaven and in our midst!
Rejoice, Woman shining with the Brightness of Thy Son and our Lord!
Rejoice, Lady crushing the Serpent of old beneath thy feet!
Rejoice, Victor over evil!
Rejoice, Queen of Heaven and Earth!
Rejoice, unfailing Intercessor for those lost in darkness!
Rejoice, Star of the Sea bringing us to the harbor of safety!
Rejoice, Defender of children!
Rejoice, Protector of such as are of the Kingdom of Heaven!
Rejoice, Standing with the moon at Thy feet!
Rejoice, with hands enfolded in prayer to God on our behalf!
Rejoice, O Lady from Heaven, Virgin-Mother clothed with the Sun!

Kontakion 2
Thy servant, Juan Diego, first saw Thee in Thy appearance on a hill. Thou didst
command him to witness to Thy desire to have a temple raised there to bring salvation to his people. Overjoyed by this Thy maternal condescension on earth toward us all, Thy
servant ran into the city, crying: Alleluia!

Ikos 2
Thy servant has truly imitated the Beloved Disciple, John, for he likewise took Thee as
his Mother to the home of his heart at the command of our Crucified Lord. Asking Thee
for the grace to do likewise, we sing:

Rejoice, Temple of the Holy Spirit!
Rejoice, Rock Unhewn!
Rejoice, Densely wooded Mount Thaeman!
Rejoice, for Thou dost call everyone to the Mountain!
Rejoice, for like Elias of old, Thou comest to destroy idols!
Rejoice, for Thy Image is our bridge over dangerous waters to Heaven!
Rejoice, Mother of Christ!
Rejoice, Mother of His Church!
Rejoice, for we became Thy children underneath Thy Son’s Cross!
Rejoice, Mother of the Foundation Stone!
Rejoice, Rock Unquarried!
Rejoice, Hilltop leading to the Heavenly Kingdom!
Rejoice, O Lady from Heaven, Virgin-Mother Clothed with the Sun!

Ikos 3

God has kept His secrets from the wise and powerful of the world, choosing, instead, to
reveal them to His humble servants and to children. Thou didst appear on earth to the
rejected as the Mother of the Sign that was rejected and accepted not by His own.

Marveling in wonder at God’s Divine Providence, we sing:
Rejoice, Mother Who ponders God’s secrets in Thy maternal heart!
Rejoice, Virgin Who received God’s Word in Thy Womb without knowing man!
Rejoice, Ark of the New Covenant!
Rejoice, Helper of the afflicted!
Rejoice, Guardian of those without any to care for them!
Rejoice, Quick help of those who suffer!
Rejoice, Mother of Divine surprises!
Rejoice, Lady of Compassion!
Rejoice, our Joy above every joy!
Rejoice, pierced with a Sword of sorrow!
Rejoice, the cause of our freedom in Christ!
Rejoice, Lady whom all peoples call ‘Blessed!’
Rejoice, O Lady from Heaven, Virgin-Mother clothed with the Sun!

Kontakion 4

Returning again and again to Thee, Thy servant, Juan, knew not what to say or do to
fulfill Thy request. Thou then didst command him to bring fresh, beautiful roses from the parched mountain to the bishop as a miraculous sign of Thy appearance on earth. Lifting the aromatic flowers into his tilma, Juan cried: Alleluia!

Ikos 4

Thou art truly all-wondrous in Thy miraculous power, O Lady-Theotokos, as through
Thee new life is born from dead earth. By Thy holy and constant intercessions, bring us
whose sins have deadened our souls to the fertile fields of faith and good works, making us live once more unto God, as we sing:

Rejoice, Rose of Sharon!
Rejoice, Lily of the Valley!
Rejoice, Flower of Carmel!
Rejoice, Aromatic Jonquil of Heavenly Delight!
Rejoice, new Staff of Aaron, budding with the Divine Flower!
Rejoice, Lady’s Mantle bearing the droplets of Heavenly Grace!
Rejoice, Myrtle of constancy!
Rejoice, Fragrance of Incorruption!
Rejoice, new Moses that calls forth water from the desert rock!
Rejoice, Holy Cloud that nourishes the earth with the rain of Divine Grace!
Rejoice, Planter of the Seed of the Word Incarnate in our souls!
Rejoice, Gardener Who cultivates it to fruition in our lives!
Rejoice, O Lady from Heaven, Virgin-Mother clothed with the Sun!

Kontakion 5
Thy humble servant went with joy and great anticipation to the palace of the bishop with the roses Thou didst give him as evidence of Thy appearance. Believing the flowers to be the final signal to all affirming Thy coming on earth, Juan unfurled his tilma. Upon
seeing the greater miracle of Thy image not made by human hands, all cried: Alleluia!

Ikos 5
The bishop joined with everyone in kneeling prayerfully before Thy miraculous Icon,
bowing to God’s revelation of His salvation of the Americas through His Most Holy
Mother. Spellbound in wonder and amazement at Thy great love for those for whom Thy
Son died for on the Precious and Life-giving Cross, they all sang:

Rejoice, Icon revealing Thy Son and Lord Jesus Christ!
Rejoice, Image reflecting His Heavenly Glory!
Rejoice, Sign from Heaven, bringing us the Abundant Life!
Rejoice, our Mantle of Protection!
Rejoice, covering us with an outpouring of Grace!
Rejoice, Who appears to us when we know neither the day nor the hour!
Rejoice, for Thou didst call us to the Kingdom of God suddenly!
Rejoice, Who imprints the image of Thy Son on those who honour Thee!
Rejoice, Robe of salvation!
Rejoice, Armour of Christ!
Rejoice, Witness to the Divine Incarnation!
Rejoice, Holy Garment without seam!
Rejoice, O Lady from Heaven, Virgin-Mother clothed with the Sun!

Kontakion 6
Acknowledging finally Thy appearance on earth through Thy holy image, those who
gazed in wonder at it saw it to signify the vision of the Beloved Disciple, John, in the
Apocalypse. They understood, at long last, that Thou came to call all to salvation and
free many from the darkness of pagan error. Praising God and Thee for these and many
other manifest mercies, they sang: Alleluia!

Ikos 6
God consecrated Thee to His service from Thy conception in the womb of Thy holy
mother, Anne. We honour Thee as the true Temple of the Holy Trinity and the Fount
through which Thy Son, our Lord Jesus, pours out His Mercy upon the world and
joyfully exclaim:

Rejoice, Holy Daughter of God the Father!
Rejoice, Precious Mother of God the Son!
Rejoice, Sanctified Temple of the Holy Spirit!
Rejoice, Cause of joy to Thy parents, Joachim and Anne!
Rejoice, conceived in holiness in the womb of Thy mother!
Rejoice, Vessel prepared by God to receive His Word!
Rejoice, Sacred Jar of the living Manna!
Rejoice, Most Holy and Immaculate Mother of God!
Rejoice, Candlestick bearing the Light that enlightens all!
Rejoice, She in Whom God was pleased to dwell!
Rejoice, for the Lord is truly with Thee!
Rejoice, for blessed art Thou amongst all women!
Rejoice, O Lady from Heaven, Virgin-Mother clothed with the Sun!

Kontakion 7
Constant preaching and missions could not sway the people from sacrificing their
children to demons and paying tribute to the cunning Serpent of old. In Thy image of
Guadalupe, Thou didst reveal Thyself as “She who crushes the serpent,” removing from
the earth the curse received through the spilled blood of innocent children. As the former slaves of the Serpent now flock in large numbers to become the servants of Thy Son through Thee, inspired by Thy image, we sing: Alleluia!

Ikos 7
Thou art the great Sign that appeared in Heaven, O Mother of God of Guadalupe, that
crushes the Serpent beneath Thy feet, delivering us from his enmity. Deliver us now
from all evil by Thine intercession as we sing to Thee:

Rejoice, Terror of demons!
Rejoice, Vanquisher of the evil one!
Rejoice, Destroyer of all his wiles!
Rejoice, bringing to nought his pride!
Rejoice, turning us firmly toward the Light that comes from the East!
Rejoice, Enlightenment of our darkness!
Rejoice, enrobed with the brightness of Thy Son!
Rejoice, crowned with the stars of Thy virtues!
Rejoice, with the moon at Thy feet!
Rejoice, Holy of Holies!
Rejoice, Unfading Bloom!
Rejoice, Life-giving Spring!
Rejoice, O Lady from Heaven, Virgin-Mother clothed with the Sun!

Kontakion 8
Thy sacred image of Guadalupe manifests many miraculous signs and wonders to this
day, O Holy Mother of God. Even Thy eyes reflect Thy love for families kneeling in
prayer and asking Thy benevolent assistance. Pondering how Thou dost keep us all in
Thy motherly heart, praying for our needs and coming to our aid, we sing: Alleluia!

Ikos 8
The tilma of Juan Diego, Thy sainted servant, is like unto the Mantle of Divine Protection which Thou didst extend over Thy children at Constantinople and many other places, protecting them from the enemies of their lives and salvation. We honour it as Thy very special token to us of Thy loving care and concern for us and sing joyfully:

Rejoice, Heavenly Cover against which the darts of the evil one rebound!
Rejoice, Putting on us the Lord Jesus Christ, leaving no provision for the flesh!
Rejoice, Cloak of salvation!
Rejoice, Protection against dominions and principalities!
Rejoice, warding off the invisible armies of those whose name is “Legion!”
Rejoice, Defeat of the spiritual Tartarus!
Rejoice, Joy of all who run to Thy Mantle!
Rejoice, Salvation of all who die under it!
Rejoice, Invincible Ally in our spiritual struggles!
Rejoice, Banner of Love flying above the Divine Banqueting House!
Rejoice, Signal of Grace!
Rejoice, Fortress of Divine strength!
Rejoice, O Lady from Heaven, Virgin-Mother clothed with the Sun!

Kontakion 9
Beginning with Juan Bernardino, the uncle of Thy servant, Juan Diego, Thy miraculous
image of Guadalupe has become an inexhaustible source of healings. No one seeking
Thy assistance or invoking Thine aid is turned away empty-handed, O Mother of
Guadalupe, as limbs are restored, sight is regained and illness is banished from the bodies of Thy children. Most of all, spiritual health is restored to our souls through Thy all powerful intercession as we sing: Alleluia!

Ikos 9
Thy children come with tears to Thy Shrine at Guadalupe, O Mother of God, and return
home in the joy of being fed with the Divine Sheaves of Holy Communion and a greater
union with God through Thee and Thy miraculous image. Inspired by these wonders of
Divine Grace, we loudly exclaim:

Rejoice, Equal to the Apostles, bringing the world to Christ!
Rejoice, Ladder leading us up to the Kingdom of the Holy Trinity!
Rejoice, Chalice in which we find the Bread of Life!
Rejoice, Censor that contains the Divine Coal!
Rejoice, Altar bearing the Creator of all!
Rejoice, Garment which clothes us in Grace!
Rejoice, Converter of souls!
Rejoice, Cause of our repentance!
Rejoice, imparting the grace of sanctification to all!
Rejoice, inspirer of prayer!
Rejoice, Tablet through which God inscribes His law on our hearts!
Rejoice, bringing us health of body and soul!
Rejoice, O Lady from Heaven, Virgin-Mother clothed with the Sun!

Kontakion 10
Thou didst protect the children of old who were sacrificed to the cunning Serpent. Thou
didst dry up the streams of their blood and tears over the earth as Thou didst cast the
Serpent into hell from whence he came. We ask you, Most Holy Mother of Guadalupe,
to protect the children of our time from a similar fate – through the sin of being killed in their mother’s wombs through abortion. As Thou are a Mother to all Thy children, we
sing to Thee: Alleluia!

Ikos 10
Thy image at Guadalupe, O Most Holy Mother, reveals Thee as the fulfillment of the
ancient prophecy that a Virgin shall be found to be with Child. Knowing each child to
bear the image of God, Thou art a sure defender of those whose angels are ever before the Face of God the Father as we sing to Thee:

Rejoice, Protector of the helpless little ones!
Rejoice, Defender of children in the wombs of their mothers!
Rejoice, for of such is the Kingdom of God!
Rejoice, for Thou dost not suffer the little ones to come to Thy Son!
Rejoice, for thousands of children were martyred by Herod to save Thy Son!
Rejoice, for Thou art surrounded by their souls as with a precious Crown!
Rejoice, for Thou art the support of mothers everywhere!
Rejoice, for Thou art their mainstay and hope!
Rejoice, for Thou nourishes them and their children on the Milk of Thy Grace!
Rejoice, for unto us a Son is born!
Rejoice, for His Name is Emmanuel!
Rejoice, for God is with us in a little Child!
Rejoice, O Lady from Heaven, Virgin-Mother clothed with the Sun!

Kontakion 11
The peoples of Mexico and all the Americas wonder in amazement at God’s lovingkindness in sending us the image not made by human hands of His Most Holy Mother to be with us in our suffering and need. The Church, in the Name of Christ Crucified, also commands us to take our Mother home with us, in that holy image, to be our Guide and sure Protection as Thy faithful servants. And we lovingly obey, as we sing: Alleluia!

Ikos 11
Thy image has become a true well-spring of blessings to us all, Mother of Guadalupe.
You fill with joy each one of us who approaches in faith and the fear of the Lord, giving
us all that is to our benefit, as we joyfully proclaim:

Rejoice, Unquenchable Source of Miracles!
Rejoice, Motherly intercession that the Son will not refuse!
Rejoice, telling us to do all that Thy Son, in the Gospel, tells us!
Rejoice, filling the empty jars of our souls with the Wine of Joy!
Rejoice, leading us to the Cross to which is fastened the Divine Cluster!
Rejoice, Unploughed Field in which grew the Heavenly Wheat!
Rejoice, Protector of Mexico!
Rejoice, Defender of the Native peoples!
Rejoice, Patron of all the Americas!
Rejoice, our Hope!
Rejoice, our Expectation!
Rejoice, our Eternal Guide!
Rejoice, O Lady from Heaven, Virgin-Mother clothed with the Sun!

Kontakion 12
Thousands flock in pilgrimage to Thy holy Shrine at Guadalupe, O All-Holy Mother of
God! We are constantly in a great pilgrimage, travelling to our home that is Heaven and
the Kingdom of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit. Be Thou unto us our Leader
who guides us with Thine all-powerful intercession before the Throne of Thy Son and our Lord Jesus Christ, as we sing: Alleluia!

Ikos 12
Thou art the Mother of Light and the Source of our Enlightenment through the Grace and
Mercies of Thy Son, our Lord, God and Saviour, Jesus Christ, O Most Holy Mother. As
we continually gaze at Thy miraculous image of Guadalupe, we are lost in love and
wonder at how much God truly loves us in having given us such a great and exalted
Mother Who is His own. Humbled by these thoughts, we sing:

Rejoice, Mother of Christ!
Rejoice, Mother of God Incarnate!
Rejoice, Mother of the true Light that enlightens us all!
Rejoice, Intercessor most powerful!
Rejoice, Joy of all Joys!
Rejoice, Quick to hear!
Rejoice, Keeper of the Gates!
Rejoice, our Heavenly Protection!
Rejoice, Lady of Mount Zion!
Rejoice, Beacon on the Mountain!
Rejoice, Ray of Light emanating from the Sun!
Rejoice, our beloved Mother!
Rejoice, O Lady from Heaven, Virgin-Mother clothed with the Sun!

Kontakion 13
Most Holy Mother of God, Thou didst reveal Thy miraculous image to Thy humble
servant, St. Juan Diego, at Tepeyac to bring the Light of Thy Son to the peoples of
Mesoamerica enslaved by the Serpent of old. Be our sure protection and guide
throughout our lives, pouring on us the Divine Grace of Thy Son through Thy
intercession, until we reach the place from whence Thou didst come to us, the Heavenly
Kingdom of Thy Son and our Lord Jesus Christ, as we sing: Alleluia! (3 times).

(Ikos 1 and Kontakion 1 are repeated here).

Prayer to the Most Holy Theotokos of Guadalupe

O Theotokos of Guadalupe, accept this humble hymn of praise from us Thy servants in
honour of Thy miraculous image not made by human hands. Cover us with the Mantle of Thy Protection and guide with the prayers of Thy all-powerful intercession. Deliver us from the wiles of the Serpent of old, and break his hold on nations and individuals in our time. Lead us to Thy Son as the Divine Ladder, the flaming Bush unconsumed by fire
and the Ark of the New Covenant. Most Holy Mother of God intercede for us and save
us by Thy prayers. Amen.

In this hymn Mary is referred to as Theotokos which means “one who gives birth to God” this suggests that she superceded God and therefore the cause of all divinity.

Here follows the commentary of the Virgin Mary from the same Pagan site as mentioned above.

“The ancient titles of the Supreme Creatrix were bestowed on Her – Queen of Heaven; Star of the Sea; Rose of the World. She was pictured “clothed in the Sun” like the Solar Mother, with the moon at her feet. She was depicted crushing the head of the serpent just like Eurynome, the Mother-Creatrix of ancient European religion.

Even theologically, the Divinity of the Blessed Virgin Mary was hard to suppress. The doctrine of the Immaculate Conception means that She was conceived without sin. Now, according to Christian doctrine, all humans are conceived in original sin, and only Christ can redeem that sin. But the Blessed Virgin Mary, before the incarnation of Christ, was sinless, unlike any human being, and made the redemption possible”.

The above website can be found by googling mother of god or mother god – I do not want to link to it!

I think this is enough to illustrate that idol worship takes place within certain “Christian” denominations.  For further information on Mary worship please visit


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The spirit of deceipt and pride What do we mean by ‘church’? (part 1)


  • 1. augie clemen  |  April 20, 2010 at 3:38 am

    For the person who commented this, I guess if you do not understand our Christian faith then better not to give blunt feedback. If you follow the ten commandments such as honor thy father and thy mother then the mother of Jesus is worth of our honor also. In this case you have shown that you are not giving honor to the person who conceived you.

    • 2. seeker  |  April 21, 2010 at 5:30 pm

      Dear Augie,

      I am sorry to offend you but I am not sorry for the words I have written. As someone who was born into RC, baptised, had my Holy Communion and was confirmed in the RC church. Went through nursery to Sixth form in RC education and taught for 4 yers in a RC school I believe that I am well informed in the RC doctrines.

      You sound very much like my own mother who told me off earlier this week for the same thing! But believe me it was not easy for me to leave the church and only YHVH Himself could lead me out of it.

      I do love and respect mary as the woman most blessed above all others. I believe that she went through a lot as the mother of our saviour but I will NVER worship her, or call her the mother of God, pray to her or deify her in any way that is IDOLATORY.

      My only prayer is for people to question the amount of fests and fesitival dedicated to mary and compare them to the feats which are pagan in origin their is an uncanny similarity.

      I love you very much as a brother/sister in faith. My aim is not so much to upset but to provoke people into further research.

      If you can prove to me that R.Catholic doctrines does not deify Mary I will re-think my position.

      God Bless

  • 3. Helen  |  January 2, 2011 at 12:19 am

    Dear brother in Christ,

    I understand your concern and see it as nothing but zeal for the truth, which I find very moving… I commend you for this.

    However, as a Catholic myself, I feel obliged to make a couple of comments and hopefully lead you to consider a few important points that you appear to have missed in your assertion.

    I was initially relieved to read the words “praise and veneration” in the opening paragraph, normally non-Catholics prefer to use idolatry when referring to our relationship to Mary, only to find out that you conclude your paragraph with the words “blasphemy and false worship”…

    Not so…. Catholics venerate and honour Mary, therefore these would be the appropriated words, veneration and honour. As you realize, the Holy Bible is the foundation of the Catholic faith and, our Catechism. I quote The latter in respect to worship and adoration:


    2096 Adoration is the first act of the virtue of religion. To adore God is to acknowledge him as God, as the Creator and Saviour, the Lord and Master of everything that exists, as infinite and merciful Love. “You shall worship the Lord your God, and him only shall you serve,” says Jesus, citing Deuteronomy.13

    2110 The first commandment forbids honouring gods other than the one Lord who has revealed himself to his people. It proscribes superstition and irreligion. Superstition in some sense represents a perverse excess of religion; irreligion is the vice contrary by defect to the virtue of religion.

    This clarified, I would like to add that we honour Mary not only for her gift of Mothering Jesus, our Saviour, but because she was his first and most loyal disciple and because in the Bible, both in the Old and New testament, she is prefigured as the New Arch of the Covenant and The New Eve.

    I would be honoured you would watch a video that was produced for all Christians on Mary and the Old and New testament and posted on my blog. That might help to see things from an entirely new perspective.

    The Holy Spirit, in 2000 years of Christianity has lead the Church in this understanding, our Christian faith has been revealed in Jesus, however our understanding of it did not come to us in one instalment, but through the deepening and better understanding of his revelation. (We see this even in the Bible itself, for example, when the Apostle lead by Peter, establish the matter on Circumcision, etc…)… The Holy Spirit played a crucial role in this process, as promised by Jesus, as the Guide for the Truth.

    Finally, let me remind you that the Title “Son of God” was used by Pagan leaders long before Jesus. History tells us that according to Near Eastern theology of kingship in Pagan Rome, Caesar Augustus and other Caesars declared themselves as Son of Divine Cesar, the Son of God (CF P. W. v. Martitz, TDNT, Vlll, pp. 334-340 esp. p. 336) … This does not take away from Jesus’ True Divine Sonship. Therefore, your objection against Mary’s title falls short of support.

    Also, did you realize that the very objection against Mary as Mother of God was the very reason of some serious heresies in the 1st centuries that denied Jesus “oness” with God the Father? Because of such heresy, the Church Fathers were guided by the Spirit of God to determine that Jesus is not DIVISIBLE. He is True Man And TRUE GOD. Therefore, to state that Mary is only Mother of Jesus Man, and not His entire nature is a heresy in itself!!!

    May God bless you and your ministry.


    • 4. seeker  |  January 4, 2011 at 1:42 pm

      Dearest Helen,

      I have watched the video clip and have found it very informative. There are some things which I agree with and some things which I do not. Firstly, I think in order for you to quote what Jewish people believe concerning link bw OT & NT you should actually talk to messianic Jews and Rabbis. I think you would see that they would disgaree that the woman mentioned in Revelations is Mary. Also, the issue of the 12 stars, sun and moon is previously seen in Genesis 37 and as such identifies Israel (12 tribes) – please visit this link

      Does this them mean that Mary is giving birth to a new Israel, 12 tribes??? No.

      I also believe the amount of reverence and awe given to Mary within catholicism does not match your video clip. The OT ark of the Covenant housed the physical Law for a season, if Mary is the NT ark of the Covenant (which I reserve comment on) then she housed the Messiah for a season. Should she continue to be reverenced now that she no longer holds the Messiah?

      Should she be made into statues and crowned, and prayed to and worshipped? No, there is nothing in the scriptures where Mary is mentioned (either in life or prophecy) that says that any of these things should happen.

      Yeshua did not worship His mother and neither did He ask His followers to, and the oft quoted verse which says that He gave His mother into John’s care does not say this either. What about the scripture where Yeshua says, whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my mother and brothers? How should we reconcile this to what you are saying?

      There is nothing within the Bible that tells me to worship or venerate Mary, to ask her to intercede for me etc. I love Mary as the first ever true disciple of my saviour and as His eartly mother who was willing and faithful enough to obey God’s will in her life, and because He loved her and knew she would suffer Yeshua gave her over to the apostle He loved the most. She was there when the Holy Spirit came and I’m sure she had a fantastic ministry before she died. But as Yeshua Himself says no one has gone up to heaven (including Elijah, Enoch and Moses) so therefore mary can not be in heaven. Like everyone else she is waiting for Yeshua’s triumphant return.

      Thank you once more for a very insightful video whch has benefitted me immensely and helped me to clarify some things. I wish you many blessings and hope for further understanding for us both.

      God Bless

  • 5. Helen  |  January 4, 2011 at 6:44 pm

    Hi again and thanks for your reply,

    I see your points, but I think that we have to remember that the Scriptural exegesis of the Fathers of the Church, proves that they did realize, as you pointed out yourself, that the 12 stars on the Woman’s crown takes us to the 12 tribes. However, they also considered that Our Lord presented himself throughout the Gospels in the light of the O.T, where He had been prefigured in many ways before being fully revealed in the New. For this reason we also have to understand the references used in the Book of revelation, not literally, but as fulfilment of the Old.

    Jesus, the New Moses, brought the God of Israel to the world in fulfilment to what had been prophesised, making Israel the light house of the world. Through Jesus’ sacrifice the uncircumcised became adopted children of God. Thus, Jesus established a New Israel, namely The Bride of the Lamb, His Church on earth.

    There are 3 points to consider:

    The woman in Revelation gave birth to the King of the Israelites (Jesus) – who will rule the nations and is on God’s throne
    The devil is very interested in destroying her but she is safe
    Her children are all faithful Christians who “follow the lamb” (Rev 12:17)

    Rev 12:17 is really the key to understanding Mary as the mother of all Christians, not Israel.

    Furthermore, in order to understand Mary’s queenship it is crucial to consider that in the OT the Queen was not the King’s wife, but his mother. Thus Mary’s intercessory influence is prefigured in the persons of the queens of the OT, such as in 1 Kgs 2:19-20 where Solomon says…

    ‘Make your request, my mother; for I will not refuse you.’ (1 kgs 2:19-20)

    In respect to our reverence to Mary. I just want to reassure you that all honour we give to Mary has the sole purpose of coming closer to Jesus, which is Mary’s own purpose:

    “His mother said to the servants, “Do whatever he tells you.” (2 Jn 1-5)

    Catholics see Mary as the only human being who truly knew Jesus’ heart. Furthermore, unlike your understanding, we believe that not only Mary, but of all the just and Saints departed are in heaven, from where they can pray for us in a way that we could not do ourselves.

    St. James tells us that the prayer of the just are more powerful and effective. ( In the Gospel of John we see how the good thief on the cross obtained mercy and was promised heaven that day… As for Jn 3:13, firstly we have to remember that Mary was alive when Jesus said that, so we cannot assume that he was talking about those before as well as AFTER him, but only about those BEFORE him. To me personally, what he meant was that no one had gone to heave by their own power, except for Himself).

    Anyhow, for Catholics, Salvation is attained by grace alone, because even the gift of faith comes from God’s grace. Salvation is a “free gift” given by God and only by Him, there is nothing we can do to “earn it”, so to speak. However, those who have already attained the crown of victory never stop to intercede on our behalf, so that we too can enter the glory of God.

    As we see in the Lord’s prayer, ALL those in heaven do the will of God, and it is the will of God that all men shall be saved. The souls in heaven bear with us in the way that we are told by St Paul that we must bear with one another here on earth. And that’s exactly what Mary never stops doing for us.

    You see, it is the same kind of reliance that the ancient Jews would have on Moses, as their earthly intercessor to God. Because of his righteousness the Israelites would be much more likely to have their prayers answered than if they would petition directly themselves. Am I saying that God does not listen to us a part from Mary? Absolutely not. Just look at all the wonderful things non-Catholics receive from Him.

    I hope that will give you some food for thought.

    Many blessings,

  • 6. susana  |  May 21, 2011 at 1:58 pm

    In love I would like to say that I see it as a simple matter. Don’t make images, dont bow down before them. Pray in the name of Jesus. Keep it simple.
    I grew up with a catholic mother and was always confused by the discrepancy between the commandments and the actual practice of making images of a woman and bowing down before it.
    Whatever theological reasoning given for this practice of making images and bowing down before them it is simply breaking God’s law. What is there to discuss. He said catergorically DO NOT DO IT.
    In terms of Mary’s Queenship: oy oy oy! If I were to never cease bearing for you would you also venerate me?

    Do you need Mary to become closer to Jesus? I don’t.

    When you write: “Furthermore, in order to understand Mary’s queenship it is crucial to consider that in the OT the Queen was not the King’s wife, but his mother. Thus Mary’s intercessory influence is prefigured in the persons of the queens of the OT, such as in 1 Kgs 2:19-20 where Solomon says…‘Make your request, my mother; for I will not refuse you.’ (1 kgs 2:19-20)”

    I respond: Mary was the mother of Jesus’s flesh but not of his divine nature. Using your logic she can then only be an earthly flesh queen not a heavenly queen in the divine realms.

    If you want to believe that dead people pray for you, go for it. I myself will not communicate with dead people as they are familiar spirits and my God has warned us against this practice.

  • 7. Helen  |  July 2, 2011 at 5:06 pm


    In love I’d reply; when God said “Don’t make images”, He meant it not litterally, otherwise He would not contradict Himself and command that angels of gold should be made to decorate the ark or to decorate the temple….

    He meant Don’t make gods of any images, meaning don’t worship anything apart from you True God.

    No one worships images in the Catholic Church. I can assure you that! If they did, this would make them anything but a Monotheistic religion. Catholics worship and adore God alone! Fact.

    In response to your remark: ” In terms of Mary’s Queenship: oy oy oy! If I were to never cease bearing for you would you also venerate me?”

    1- Catholics venerate Mary because she is the Mother of Christ, which makes her quite special, not because she never ‘ceased bearing’.

    Misunderstandings a part, or whatever people may perceive or not, is a different matter, which does NOT change this simple truth:

    Catholics do not adore anyone or anything but GOD.

    If we look at the OT we see people bowing before the Ark of the Covenant, or Psalms which tell people to bow before the holy mountain of God, and so on…Does this make them idolaters?

    God bless

  • 8. Loves all those Jesus loved first  |  August 22, 2011 at 11:22 pm

    “Never be afraid of loving the Blessed Virgin too much. You can never love her more than Jesus did.” – St. Maximilian Kolbe

  • 9. Pepe  |  September 6, 2011 at 3:33 pm

    Jesus want us to pray directly to Him. We don’t need anyone else to pray for us.God want us to have a personal relationship with Him. We respect the Virgin Mary, but she’s NOT the divine creator, she’s NOT God, so we shouldn’t be praying or worshiping her or any of her images (or any other images for that matter).

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